Western follies continue in relation to the Ukraine

The greatest take-away from the Ukrainian crisis is that we live in a propaganda environment so thick that we can scarcely perceive it. Imagine if Quebec separated and the international community was trying to drive us out of the G8 because the federal government seized the western portions of (English) Montreal, plus the triangle of land between the Ottawa and St Lawrence rivers,  and Pontiac County.

Ludicrous huffing and puffing when we have neither the means, will or justification for stopping Russia from seizing Russian-language territories. Andrew Coyne, for example:

It is interesting to reflect on Russia’s long historic and emotional ties to Ukraine, as it is useful to bear in mind its strategic interests in the naval base at Sevastopol. But it is not actually germane. Whatever its motivations or explanations, the issue at the heart of the invasion remains: it is wrong, and it must be stopped. If it is not possible to eject Russia from Crimea, then certainly it must be deterred from expanding its reach further. That’s not only a matter of defending the right of Ukrainians to decide their own future. It isn’t even about Russia, in the long run. It’s about the whole structure of international relations.

Ah, no, Andrew, it isn’t. History is entirely germane. It is a matter of great power politics, in which right and wrong play rather less role than we idealists might like. It is about Russia’s interests and power as a state to control its near-abroad.

I hope the Ukrainians can pull themselves out of the mess they are in. I hope they can manage to lift their abysmal GDP per capita of $3,800 to the levels of prosperity found in, say, Slovakia [$17,600]. I hope they can maintain friendly relations with both the European Community and with Russia. I hope, I hope, but it is not going to happen without serious territorial adjustment to let Russians live inside Russia.

Everyone knows this, except people who write in newspapers.

Crimea: it was never Ukrainian until the Soviet dictatorship handed it to the Ukraine in 1954. See purple-coloured peninsula into Black Sea, below.


Electorally, look at the difference between largely Russian-speaking areas and Ukrainian-speaking areas. Blue supported the ousted President Yanukovich, yellow the losing candidate Tymoshenko.


Linguistically it is divided this way. The solid red and pink is majority Ukrainian.




If Obama had any brains he would be congratulating Putin on firm and decisive leadership on the issue (lying through his teeth of course) but remembering how much we owe to Putin’s non-interference  in important decisions in the United Nations and a few other favours he has done us in the nature of suppressing Islamic terrorism, which we have failed to be grateful for.

I hate dictatorships as much as the next sensible man, but when a foreign leader is claiming back territory vital to his national interest, which was handed over by a discredited former dictatorship to a neighbouring state which is now on its way to becoming foreign and possibly hostile, and when you have no capability of resisting that leader, nod sagely and agree.

Russia will dictate what is going to happen here, and we are just blowing smoke. Vlad the Impaler knows this. Apparently we do not.


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Thank you for stating the facts which continue to be ignored by the West. Kiev actually used to be the capital of Russia until they moved it to Moscow due to the constant invasions from the outside, especially Western Europe at the time. Russia is right to seek to protect her borders and the Russian speakers who make up a large portion of the population in Ukraine. The West does not have clean hands either concerning the attempted coup in Kiev. Perhaps much here is knee-jerk reaction due to being unable to distinguish between the old USSR and Russia.


Your last few postings are totally wrong, on so many counts. “… The Ukraine is their [Russia’s] western and southern frontier…”

1.) The article”the,” inserted before the name of the nation, Ukraine, is a Soviet Era/ Russian construct, introduced into the English language, primarily to marginalize [and ‘marginalize,’ or render the Ukrainian nation into some form of a Russian ‘borderland.’]

2.) Ukraine, is NOT Russia’s frontier fringe territory, no matter how much the Russian Federation wants to believe it, and regardless of how much of the international community the Russian Federation hopes to get to swallow this line. If Ukraine ever is reduced to this state, it will be as a sadly bloodied, unbowed, vanquished and over-run Sovereign Nation, abandoned by the global community, left vulnerable to the rapacious Russia beast.

3.) As for Alan, above who claims “…Kiev actually used to be the capital of Russia until they moved it to Moscow …?” Nice try. But not really factually correct.

Kievan Rus (Rusyn) or Ruthenian

According to the earliest chronicle of Kievan Rus’, a Varangian named Rurik became prince of Novgorod in about 860 beforehis successors moved south and extended their authority to Kiev. By the late 9th century the Varangian ruler of Kiev had established his power over a large area that gradually came to be known as Russia.
The name “Russia” is thought to be connected with Slavic or Persian roots. Originally Rus was a medieval country and state that comprised mostly Early East Slavs. The territories of that old Rus are today distributed among the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine.
That early “Rus” state had no proper name. Its inhabitants called it “Russkaya zemla”, which might be translated as “Rus land” or “Land of the Rus”. In a similar fashion, Poland is still called Polska by its inhabitants, and the Czech Republic (Česká republika) is commonly called by its adjectival name.
In order to distinguish the early “Rus” state from other states that subsequently derived from it, it is called by modern historians as “Kievan Rus”.
Kievan Rus’, the first East Slavic state, emerged in the 9th century along the Dnieper River valley. A coordinated group of princely states with a common interest in maintaining trade along the river routes, Kievan Rus’ controlled the trade route for furs, wax, and slaves between Scandinavia and the Byzantine Empire along the Dnieper River. By the end of the 10th century the Norse minority had merged with the Slavic population.
Kievan Rus’ introduced a Slavic variant of the Eastern Orthodox religion, making a synthesis of Byzantine and Slavic cultures that defined Ukrainian culture for the next thousand years. Ukraine adopted Christianity in 988 by the official act by Prince Vladimir I. Some years later the first code of laws, Russkaya Pravda, was introduced.
By the 11th century, particularly during the reign of Yaroslav the Wise, Kievan Rus’ could boast an economy and achievements in architecture and literature compared to those that then existed in the western part of the continent.
Kievan Rus’ ultimately disintegrated as a state because of the armed struggles among members of the princely family that collectively possessed it. Kiev’s dominance waned, to the benefit of Vladimir-Suzdal in the north-east, Novgorod in the north, and Halych-Volhynia in the south-west. Conquest by the Mongol Golden Horde in the 13th century was the final blow. Kiev was destroyed. Halych-Volhynia would eventually be absorbed into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Mongol-dominated Vladimir-Suzdal and independent Novgorod would establish the basis for the modern Russian nation.
The rulers of this period include the following persons. Note that the succession did not always pass directly from father to son, but sometimes between other male relatives, including brothers and uncles and nephews. Overlapping dates are due to princes ruling in different principalities, all nominally under Kievan suzerainty.

Worth noting. Ukraine is larger than France, has a population of more than 48,000,000 people. During the period of 1929 to 1945 more than 34% of the population was killed. The deaths were a result of artificially created famine conditions 1932-33 with anywhere from 9,000,000 to 15,000,000 men women and children deliberately starved to death. [the Soviets, behind the Iron curtain weren’t meticulous bookkeepers like their German competition.] Another 10,000,000, more or less, perished on the bloody killing fields of WWll. Close to 5,000,000 vanished into Nazi slave labour factories and death camps. Countless millions more were scattered throughout the Soviet Slave states, part of soviet social engineering concepts of relocating clusters of 250,000 to 500,000 citizens, from their own nations, to anywhere else the state thought fit. This, in part, explains why most former soviet bloc countries, still have, after 75 + years, have large contingents of ethnic Russians [and often, still, faithful citizens of Mother Russia,] in their midst. To wit: Eastern Ukraine.


Today, just call me Taras ~


Taras: All true and interesting. However it is wholly irrelevant to what is going to happen, which we are powerless to affect. I do not favour a posturing foreign policy. If I were Ukrainian, I could get really angry about Russia. But I have no dog in this fight.


Prime Minister Stephen Harper has sent a clear message to Moscow that Canada will not stand buy idle while a sovereign country is being which is violating human rights, the UN Charter and the Budapest agreement. Just yesterday, the Canadian parliament under the majority rule of the Conservative Party of Canada, voted in a majority to condemn Russia’s military presence in Crimea.

I’m sure that when President Putin got this message from Stephan Harper and his majority rule in the House of Commons, he probably fell down and rolled over laughing so hard at what a “head” Harper is just like President Obama.

Nicola T.

Well, first of all in your dreams that the federal government will support anglos in Quebec when Quebec leaves Canada. But if it did, not exactly the same thing as a dictator like Putin invading a country which wants more freedom. Quebec has all the freedom in the world in Canada and the myth of the imposed constitution forgets that the vast majority of federal m.p.s. from Quebec were Liberals and represented Quebec when the constitution was ‘imposed’.


Quite so, as regards your comments on Quebec. However, the Russians in Ukraine are just exchanging dictators from Yanukovich to Putin.

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