At last some honest argument against the long form census (LFC)
July 25, 2010 10:27 am Canadian PoliticsI said previously that the honest argument about the long form census was essentially that
- it would make government less effective. It would do so by making the gathering of data less accurate, less statistically significant, and less useful.
- By doing so it would make government less intrusive.
That at least, is the theory. It has a certain attraction for those of us who fear the power of the state, as I do.
My argument with the libertarian opponents of the LFC is that making government less effective does not accomplish their other, laudable goals. In my view, accomplishing goal number one – less effective government- absolutely fails to accomplish goal number two, less intrusive government.
Here are a couple of columnists with the clarity to argue this point explicitly.
This from Ian Robinson in the Calgary Sun:
What they (those who favour the LFC) don’t get is that those anachronistic idiots who believe in personal freedom and responsibility think things have already gone terribly, terribly wrong. If we can contrive to throw a monkey wrench into most anything government has planned, we’re standing in line to see who gets to throw it.
We want less government. We certainly want less planning because the more these creatures plan, the less money we have in our pockets to spend on stuff we actually want.
A lot of us never signed up for the degree of insane intrusion that is part of everyday life in this country — an intrusion partly fuelled by census data.
We never expected to see once self-respecting nation states teetering on the edge of bankruptcy — and threatening to bring us all down — because the cancer of big government is sucking so much money from their productive minorities that their economies are imploding.
Filling out a census form has been described as an act of social responsibility and it may well be … if it’s voluntary.
What the sheep don’t get is that it’s also an act of social responsibility to extend your middle finger to government.
It never hurts to remind these leeches they work for us … not the other way around. And without allegiance to that bedrock principle, we’re nothing but serfs.
And that’s a principle a trifle more important than permitting the government to threaten you if you don’t fill out a form
I agree with every sentiment Ian Robinson expresses. But I think he is doing the equivalent of trying to pick up the Gross National Product with a set of tongs. Of a hundred ways to curb the nanny state, the hundredth least effective is to wreck the statistical basis of understanding the population’s wealth, movements, living patterns, immigration patterns, income distribution, and so forth. It is exactly the argument Bjorn Lomborg makes against the global warming enthusiasts: if you had a hundred things to do to help the planet, reducing green house gases would be the last on the list. In matters of domestic policy, chop taxes, lower expenditure, pass a law allowing people unequivocally to defend themselves and their families from house intrusions and property loss by all force necessary, fire a few judges by Act of Parliament, legalize private medical care: the list goes on and on.
The inimitable sage of mediaeval Catholic thinking, David Warren, objects to the use of numbers to obscure our understanding of reality.
Let me record in passing how happy I am that the Harper government is getting rid of the “long form” of the census. Or rather, I wish it were doing so entirely: instead it is replacing one of innumerable arbitrary invasions of the citizen’s privacy and freedom with something “voluntary.”
Still, one may hope this will give results so obviously skewed as to be unusable, since a voluntary long form can appeal only to people who enjoy meeting bureaucratic requirements, and we can at least hope that they are unrepresentative of the general population….
I have written before, and from several angles, about the evils that flow not so much from the merely wasteful gathering of statistics, as from the uses to which statistics are put, and the addling of the minds of the users. Few drugs are as debilitating, and even in the course of his narcotic dreams, the drug addict seldom tries to impose his view of reality on the rest of us.
My friend Mr Warren does not merely have an argument with the size and pretensions of the state, he has an argument ith modernity itself: the misuse of science to obscure the truth. Or perhaps, in his terms, even the proper use of science to obscure the Truth of Revelation. Very well, David, but I am not alowing you anywhere near the machinery of government, business, or the more prosaic ones found in my toolshed. You would wreck my tools through sheer incompetence, an incompetence founded upon a profound refusal to contemplate the natural laws and mechanical characteristics on which they are predicated.
And here I return to the argument I made previously, that the opponents think that the government will be less intrusive when it is less knowledgable; that its actions will be less obnoxious to freedom of behaviour and belief when it does not know who you are or what you are doing, as a statistical aggregate [note the vital condition here - statistically]. The argument seems plausible until you examine what we ask out of governments: sewers, highways, medical care, urban planning – and however ineffective , law enforcement. Asking for the same level of services while denying government (all three levels) the means whereby to deliver them, or to plan for their delivery, does not strike me as sound policy.
Trust
Finally, to make a point on which Blair Atholl frequently has founded his arguments, the social capital of trust is of great importance. Once trust is exhausted, we are caught in a profound morass. (see Francis Fukuyama’s book of the same name, Trust, for an explanation of the relationship between tyrannical governments and the destruction of social capital, such as trust). The trust I am speaking of here is the trust Canadians have that our governments are by-and-large well intentioned and persuaded by evidence. It seems to me that the government is shredding that trust to no profit by rasing alarms about the degree of personal intrusion mandated by the long form census. The personal data is jealously guarded by StatsCan and is not available, by law, to any other department or branch of government. The government also seems intent upon signalling that it cares little for evidence in the formulation of policy. We will not get that trust back.
This issue may not resonate for partisans, but it does with the kind of people the Conservatives need to raise them to a majority in Parliament.
Dalwhinnie


wilson :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 11:42 AM
exactly:
”It never hurts to remind these leeches they work for us … not the other way around.
And without allegiance to that bedrock principle, we’re nothing but serfs.”
Thanks for the link Dalwhinnie!
Fiumara :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 1:45 PM
“There are lies, damn lies and statistics.” There are many people who live in various “industries” – poverty, immigration, land claims, tenant, homeless, etc. – whose need for conferences and meetings all hinge on information gathered that has nothing to do with how many people live in a hamlet, township, village, town, city and province. They need information to justify their existence.
If, for example, we built an apartment building to house the real number of homeless in say Ottawa, then the 35 agencies that claim they work for the homeless, would be out of business and the number of conferences and meetings they go to would be eliminated. Bad for them so they have to have statistics to keep the homeless in shelters.
This goes for the other “industries as well. A sad but true situation. Real solutions are a threat to their existence.
Frances :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 2:39 PM
There was an interesting article in the “Village Voice” in March 2002: “IBM and the Holocaust…” by Edwin Black. It discusses how the Nazis used the emerging technology of IBM to conduct censuses that – among other things – identified target groups very accurately. So we have a right to be wary.
That being said, perhaps anyone who gets the long form should treat it as an entry in the ‘24 hour short story contest’. Even the short form has potential: have family members flip a coin to see who is to be head of household, person 2, etc., for the next five years.
blair atholl :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 3:29 PM
I would fill out the long form every time in exchange for a $1,000 tax credit. I might even tell the truth for $2,000.
Glendronach :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 7:57 PM
Dalwhinnie,
Kudos to you for remaining firm in the face of these presumptive zampolits. Theirs is a brazen front of solidarity this time unworthy of embracing.
gerry :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 11:35 PM
You are perseverating on the movement from mandatory to voluntary. You have not answered my query about this on your previous post.
And to those who ascribe to the “lies, damn lies and statistics” quote, I was previously a professional statistician and when given that line by a cabinet minister replied that I leave the lies to lawyers, the damn lies to politicians and both should leave statistics to a professional otherwise they will do themselves an injury. I never got that crap again from any politician.
To the owner of this blog I persist in my question – tell me how changing from mandatory to voluntary makes this less ’scientific’? Or has it never occurred to you that forcing someone to respond under duress might just lead to crappy data? If not then you are a naif and have no experience, expertise, knowledge (and yes I am more than willing to offline compare expertise – you will lose on any fair basis of educational background and experience) in this area in which you are presuming to propound upon.
Dalwhinnie :
Date: July 26, 2010 @ 7:27 AM
I base my views on the publicly expressed opinions of Munir Sheikh and Ivan Fellegi, and on my working with a professional staistician in my consulting work in times past.
Blair Atholl :
Date: July 26, 2010 @ 2:58 PM
Do they have a view on Tony Clements’s efforts to assist drowning swimmers in cottage country? Were his efforts voluntary or mandatory?
gerry :
Date: July 26, 2010 @ 5:51 PM
Thanks for the sourcing. The question to be posed to them is what research has been done to compare response rates between mandatory and voluntary surveys in areas people consider sensitive and what research has been done on those responses to verify accuracy? I expect experts to be able to back up their assertions. It is informative how often that does not prove to be the case.
As a past member of the federal/provincial/territorial statistical council I have worked with Fellegi and other professional statisticians but not with Sheikh. One has to bear in mind that both Fellegi and Sheikh were both the Chief Statistician and also the head of an organization under constant budget pressure. The sale of census data has been an important budget supplement. I am not suggesting that either man made his comments based on financial considerations but he did not make them in the absence of awareness of them.
blair atholl :
Date: July 29, 2010 @ 10:14 PM
Gerry is striking at the heart of the matter: it isn’t Statscan’s “integrity” that is so much at issue as it is its opportunities for commercial expansive and owning of rights to data; ie it must collect its own data in order to sell it even if it is the same data that generally already exists but can only be obtained, not owned. As Deepthroat said to Woodward and Bernstein: “follow the money.”