Handing your enemies a gun and saying: “shoot me”
July 23, 2010 2:43 pm Canadian Politics, ScienceIt has not taken long for the editorialists to put their fingers on the button: are the Tories suppressing the long form census for purely ideological reasons? And I ask: what ideology? Or is this just know-nothingism?
The reason why this issue has resonated is that it goes to the issue which all sensible people must ask about any government. Do these people actually care to make fact-based policy? Or worse, are the Conservatives “ideological” in the same way that the NDP are ideological? My feelings trump your facts: the kind of rubbish we conservatives hear so often on global warming, or any other leftward hot-button issue. Or as the Citizen editorial bewails today, “the increasingly anti-intellectual and anti-science orientation of the government.”
The data derived from the long form census is the basis of most government policy at municipal, provincial and federal levels, as well as private and public sector investment decisions.
The arguments of the know-nothings tend to be that a) privacy is invaded and b) that, by inference, by depriving governments of data they will somehow make better (more conservative) decisions.
The privacy invasion argument is rubbish, for two reasons. First, because Stats Can shares no personal information whatever with other departments, and has never been faulted for improper revelation of personal matters. As the former head statistician Ivan Fellegi said on the radio, StatsCan is “obsessed” with the security of its data. The agency is bound by law not to reveal it. Second, because compared to the data that all financial institutions are required to submit to the Department of Finance in relation to any “suspicious” transactions, the data collected in the long-form, such knowing how long it takes you to commute or how many bathrooms the average person has, is utterly without adverse effect on the citizen. The Privacy Commissioner reported three complaints in relation to the long-form census in the past decade. So if all the know-nothings were really concerned about privacy, they have exercised highly selective indignation.
No one has been bold enough actually to state that governments would somehow make better (that is, more conservative) decisions if it were deprived of accurate data. Yet that is the inference one must draw from the arguments the true believers are making. I am unable to elaborate this argument more fully; it cannot be done. Not knowing what effects your policies are having will not make those policies go away or cause them to be cheaper to deliver. Not knowing where and to whom services are to be denied or delivered will not increase efficiency.
Take a case dear to conservative hearts: reducing inappropriate immigration. Immigrants are continually doing less well with the passage of time. Their rates of assimilation and finding jobs have worsened overall as we change the composition of the immigrant populations away from Europeans. It is evident that, as we increase immigration from non-European countries, the cultural transitions are harder for many immigrants to make. Mix in Islam and you can foresee massive social problems building up for the future. Does it profit us not to know exactly how badly or well new waves of Third World immigration are doing? I thought so.
The sad truth of the matter is that the know-nothings are as wrong about this issue as the global warming fanatics are about their pet obsession. They share the same tendency to believe something a priori (we are doing something terrible to the planet; all government is excessive) and to marshall the facts to suit the false premise.
They are missing the point that science – real knowledge- is the basis of material and intellectual progress. Knowledge, grounded in accuracy, assisted by diligence, and aided by perseverance, will finally overcome all obstacles, raise ignorance from despair, and produce happiness in the paths of science.
In turning away from science-based policy, the Conservative government is betraying reason, and demonstrating to a skeptical middle ground of Canadians that they should not be trusted with a majority. So to answer my colleague Duggan’s Dew, the statistics issue is vital to the march towards a Conservative majority. And they – we – are providing a stumbling block to that outcome.
Stephen Harper: this is your issue. Do something intelligent.
Dalwhinnie


gerry :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 3:25 PM
I fail to see how moving from a mandatory to voluntary form of collection is “turning away from science-based policy”.
I am not convinced that mandatory = better data. It may ensure higher response rates but not necessarily more accurate data. People do not like to be forced to respond and collecting data under duress makes me suspicious of the data quality.
Instead of dumping all of the responsibility on Stats Can I think it is incumbent on those of us who use the data to be more proactive in encouraging our target populations to fully and accurately complete whatever survey or census is being conducted.
duggan's dew :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 3:54 PM
The resignation of the Chief Statistician unfortunately sealed the fate of the long form, I believe. The Great Helmsman cannot now alter course without showing his back to many blades. So that part is over, and we may never know whether Mr. Harper was considering some compromise. I rather doubt it. Having pushed and pulled at the various angles of this controversy, I regret to say that I think it will rebound to the discredit of the Conservatives and, in combination with other known and unknown factors, cost them votes. It does have an Elmer Gantry, hayseed tang to it.
potato :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 4:06 PM
It’s not a privacy issue, it’s a freedom of speech issue. The government is compeling you to divulge information against your will. It’s also a freedom of association issue. The government is compeling you to associate with an organization you may prefer not to associate with. If the government needs certain information to form policy then it’s up to them to find a way of getting that information without violating our fundamental rights.
WTF :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 4:46 PM
It boils down to those who believe that the people are beholden to the government and those who believe that the government is beholden to the people. I lean to the latter. If the government can’t get people to voluntarily fill out the long form by explaining the reasons so we feel comfortable doing so but has to resort to extortion by threat then we have truely reached the point of us being here to serve the government. Not the other way around. Remember the long form is not being eliminated. Just the threat of criminal prosecution. I say that is a good thing.
wilson :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 8:38 PM
Mulroney tried to get rid of this census in 1986, but backed down.
I’m hoping PMSH can see it thru.
I resent the attitude of the elites/Lib/media and some conservatives,
that they will “allow” PMSH to govern,
as long as he doesn’t change anything,
after all, this is Liberal Canada, they just need a leader.
wilson :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 9:43 PM
StatsCan was ok with voluntary survey until after the elites/media got hysterical????
(smell rat?)
“But when asked about Statistics Canada opposition to the voluntary survey, Clement was terse.
“That is not what they said to me. I think I’ll stand on my answer that they gave us options and we chose one of those options,” he said
Scandinavian countries have moved from a mandatory census to mining databases for information.
Clement said that wasn’t one of the options officials gave him.
“I’m aware of those differences now. They were not brought to my attention by StatsCan, interestingly,” Clement said….”
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/07/23/14809871.html
Rick :
Date: July 23, 2010 @ 10:04 PM
Your “arguments of the know nothings” b) is a straw man as you admit. You said “No one has been bold enough actually to state that governments would somehow make better decisions if it were deprived of accurate data.”
Since you brought forth the argument yourself, what does that say about your quantity of knowledge.
Why don’t you argue that I should be fined or go to jail for not submitting to the census?
Blair Atholl :
Date: July 24, 2010 @ 11:27 AM
Oh Please. What hope can there ever be for meaningful change in this country when those who allegedly seek it go all weak in their wobbly little knees simply because of a change in the manner in which information is gathered. This is a simple matter of asking citizens for information as opposed to demanding it from them. It is troubling to see how easily Dalwhinnie has succumbed to the hysteria of the self-annointed priesthood and its preposterous over-reaction to – horror of horrors – having to actually take direction from a government.
Blair Atholl :
Date: July 24, 2010 @ 12:00 PM
P.S. Are there any websites around where the primary blogs aren’t posted by nanny statist apologists?
Dalwhinnie :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 9:08 AM
I am used to being right when everyone around me, it would seem, is wrong. This time, however, it is the libertarians who have the worse argument.
My track record in holding unpopular but ultimately correct opinions is long:
Communism: a vast prison camp; never thought it was going to prevail
Anthropogenic global warming: a vast piece of piffle fomented by global nanny statists
Iraq: Getting rid of Saddam Hussein was the right thing to do.
So I am ready to be misperceived as a nanny statist by those impatient for the issue to go away.
The arguments again in brief:
1) Making the long form census (LFC) voluntary impedes reaching the conservative majority; it makes the Conservatives look anti-scientific;
2) the new voluntary census makes the results of each year incommensurate or incomparable satistically with the previous year;
3) the new voluntary LFC will be more expensive and vastly less useful (see reason 2);
4) if the proponents of the abolition of the LFC could spare their indignation for the vast intrusion into personal affairs caused by federal money-laundering statutes, I would at least praise their consistency;
5) the government could have changed or reduced the questions of the LFC, held a public inquiry, or found many other ways to skate this issue into the boards, or better yet, never have caused it to rise to public notice. To quote a newspaperman, they have buggered up an issue that should never have been buggered up.
And that is why my learned conservative friends who hate the LFC need to awaken fromtheir dogmatic slumbers and address the arguments (scientific and political) substantially.
The Conservatives are doing so much right that it pains me to see them get on the wrong side of public opinion to no conceivable profit to the cause.
Blair Atholl :
Date: July 25, 2010 @ 9:59 AM
None of us of course can be correct all the time. Your concern for the majority is sincere and forgives many sins. However,the creation of a conservative majority that conducts itself as if it were a liberal majority is a pointless exercise that given the profound statist inclinations throughout Quebec and Ontario is unlikely to be achieved any time prior to their banruptcies anyway.