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	<title>Comments on: EPA quashes report on CO2; cap-and-trade a vast scam</title>
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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels &#187; Slowing the Left&#8217;s Lysenko-Gore Climate Change Hoax</title>
		<link>http://www.barrelstrength.com/2009/06/28/epa-quashes-report-on-co2/comment-page-1/#comment-2372</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels &#187; Slowing the Left&#8217;s Lysenko-Gore Climate Change Hoax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] declared that the CO2 we exhale is a pollutant while simultaneously quashing a report that not only contradicted the claims of global warming but also disputed that CO2 pollutant axis. Very Lysenko like of them, yet nobody on the left bothered to get all huffed up about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] declared that the CO2 we exhale is a pollutant while simultaneously quashing a report that not only contradicted the claims of global warming but also disputed that CO2 pollutant axis. Very Lysenko like of them, yet nobody on the left bothered to get all huffed up about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dalwhinnie</title>
		<link>http://www.barrelstrength.com/2009/06/28/epa-quashes-report-on-co2/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalwhinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Raoul:
At some point the authorities in society need to rein in &quot;cleverness&quot; when it has profoundly anti-social consequences.

I have relatives, too, who, when the tax authorities figure out what they have been doing, make it illegal.

No one maintains these people are not very clever. They are. They also create disasters if not regulated sufficiently. I don&#039;t buy all of Taibbi&#039;s article either, but I do think we need a serious look at what has gone wrong in the markets - why are we bailing out billionaires for situations they have created theselves? A few - very few - dispossessions of wealth  might sharpen minds wonderfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Raoul:<br />
At some point the authorities in society need to rein in &#8220;cleverness&#8221; when it has profoundly anti-social consequences.</p>
<p>I have relatives, too, who, when the tax authorities figure out what they have been doing, make it illegal.</p>
<p>No one maintains these people are not very clever. They are. They also create disasters if not regulated sufficiently. I don&#8217;t buy all of Taibbi&#8217;s article either, but I do think we need a serious look at what has gone wrong in the markets &#8211; why are we bailing out billionaires for situations they have created theselves? A few &#8211; very few &#8211; dispossessions of wealth  might sharpen minds wonderfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
		<link>http://www.barrelstrength.com/2009/06/28/epa-quashes-report-on-co2/comment-page-1/#comment-2036</link>
		<dc:creator>Raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dalwhinnie,

The cap and trade is a scam and it is not required &quot;In order to protectthe oplanet&quot; from global warning or anything else. However I take issue with the arguments advanced in the Rolling Stone article and used here to make your points. I know GS quite well, they are the envy of the Street because they have an approach to trading the markets that is superior to the apporches followed by other formns. Goldmans cannot manufactore bubbles nay more than they can turn water into wine. They can, and do, however anticipate where money flows are going and generally get there in time to make money and get out before the correction. This is not criminal. It is smart trading. (Quantrill&#039;s Maxim - when asked the secret of his success on the battlefiled - &quot;Git thar the fuhstest, with the mostest!&quot;

As fas as the cap and trade the way the market works is for polluters to buy pollution allowances from folks who have a positive balance on their carbon account, that is they pollutre less and so can sell their pollution credits to the guys that run a dirtier process. The scheme allows market-makers like Goldmans to make money on the &quot;spread&quot; bewteen bid and offer prices. They do not get to keep the whole premium. The premium is exchanged between end-polluters.

Because Goldmans has large private equity intersts some of these firms may end up being net buyers or sellers of carbion credits. However this is not why Goldmans invested in those businesses.

Bottom Line: They are not as evil as the article makes out. They are however, much smarter than the article implies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalwhinnie,</p>
<p>The cap and trade is a scam and it is not required &#8220;In order to protectthe oplanet&#8221; from global warning or anything else. However I take issue with the arguments advanced in the Rolling Stone article and used here to make your points. I know GS quite well, they are the envy of the Street because they have an approach to trading the markets that is superior to the apporches followed by other formns. Goldmans cannot manufactore bubbles nay more than they can turn water into wine. They can, and do, however anticipate where money flows are going and generally get there in time to make money and get out before the correction. This is not criminal. It is smart trading. (Quantrill&#8217;s Maxim &#8211; when asked the secret of his success on the battlefiled &#8211; &#8220;Git thar the fuhstest, with the mostest!&#8221;</p>
<p>As fas as the cap and trade the way the market works is for polluters to buy pollution allowances from folks who have a positive balance on their carbon account, that is they pollutre less and so can sell their pollution credits to the guys that run a dirtier process. The scheme allows market-makers like Goldmans to make money on the &#8220;spread&#8221; bewteen bid and offer prices. They do not get to keep the whole premium. The premium is exchanged between end-polluters.</p>
<p>Because Goldmans has large private equity intersts some of these firms may end up being net buyers or sellers of carbion credits. However this is not why Goldmans invested in those businesses.</p>
<p>Bottom Line: They are not as evil as the article makes out. They are however, much smarter than the article implies.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger from Solar Power Facts</title>
		<link>http://www.barrelstrength.com/2009/06/28/epa-quashes-report-on-co2/comment-page-1/#comment-2035</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger from Solar Power Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all just more of the same, isn&#039;t it?  Ego dictating actions stuffs up the world for everybody, even for those people who are doing all the money harvesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all just more of the same, isn&#8217;t it?  Ego dictating actions stuffs up the world for everybody, even for those people who are doing all the money harvesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.barrelstrength.com/2009/06/28/epa-quashes-report-on-co2/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the summary and scanned some of the rest. This report obviously exists. It should be sufficient evidence to bring the guillotine back!!

Robert Kyosaki has a new book he is writing on the web. In it he derides the bailout as a scheme to keep the billionaires and bankers from losing money. It has nothing to do with helping the rest of us. We will be looted for the next 100 years for this bailout and the cap and trade is the means to that end. In fact, we will pay twice. It looks like most of the revenues from cap and trade will go to the bankers, barons and billionaires while the government will be raising our taxes (or inflation) against our reduced income to pay for the bailout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the summary and scanned some of the rest. This report obviously exists. It should be sufficient evidence to bring the guillotine back!!</p>
<p>Robert Kyosaki has a new book he is writing on the web. In it he derides the bailout as a scheme to keep the billionaires and bankers from losing money. It has nothing to do with helping the rest of us. We will be looted for the next 100 years for this bailout and the cap and trade is the means to that end. In fact, we will pay twice. It looks like most of the revenues from cap and trade will go to the bankers, barons and billionaires while the government will be raising our taxes (or inflation) against our reduced income to pay for the bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: OMMAG</title>
		<link>http://www.barrelstrength.com/2009/06/28/epa-quashes-report-on-co2/comment-page-1/#comment-2032</link>
		<dc:creator>OMMAG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cause and effect .... there are always consequences.

Let&#039;s go back and try to figure out who it was that first proposed a carbon tax!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cause and effect &#8230;. there are always consequences.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go back and try to figure out who it was that first proposed a carbon tax!</p>
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