Comments on: On the Viral Eruption of “New Reform” http://www.barrelstrength.com/2008/05/29/on-the-viral-eruption-of-new-reform/ Over Proof Opinion, Smoothly Aged Insight Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:59:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Glendronach http://www.barrelstrength.com/2008/05/29/on-the-viral-eruption-of-new-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-625 Glendronach Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:37:34 +0000 http://www.barrelstrength.com/?p=164#comment-625 To recap the gist of my posting, I am bothered by mutterings of pulling the stake out of the heart of the Reform Party of Canada. My only take on the Reform Party of Ontario is that it may not represent a winning political brand versus an actual conservative recapture of the provincial Progressive Conservative party. <i>Lori</i> -- who I surmise must be a millennial -- trotted out the phrase "A proud name, a proud tradition". That's a reasonable position if one's target demographic is the cluster of Ontario voters who drive Corvairs or Pintos, drink New Coke or own the DVD of "Gigli". Rebuilding Ontario conservatism from Year Zero is no picnic, and I surmise one could do better for a tactical manual than "The Leadership Secrets of Pol Pot". Ask one of the owners of the first edition, Preston Manning. But that is a matter for Ontario conservatives to decide in the end. Just don't take the madness federal. You've been warned. To recap the gist of my posting, I am bothered by mutterings of pulling the stake out of the heart of the Reform Party of Canada.

My only take on the Reform Party of Ontario is that it may not represent a winning political brand versus an actual conservative recapture of the provincial Progressive Conservative party. Lori — who I surmise must be a millennial — trotted out the phrase “A proud name, a proud tradition”. That’s a reasonable position if one’s target demographic is the cluster of Ontario voters who drive Corvairs or Pintos, drink New Coke or own the DVD of “Gigli”. Rebuilding Ontario conservatism from Year Zero is no picnic, and I surmise one could do better for a tactical manual than “The Leadership Secrets of Pol Pot”. Ask one of the owners of the first edition, Preston Manning.

But that is a matter for Ontario conservatives to decide in the end. Just don’t take the madness federal. You’ve been warned.

]]> By: Daily Blogger - Friday, May 30th, 2008 | Jack’s Newswatch http://www.barrelstrength.com/2008/05/29/on-the-viral-eruption-of-new-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-624 Daily Blogger - Friday, May 30th, 2008 | Jack’s Newswatch Fri, 30 May 2008 13:00:30 +0000 http://www.barrelstrength.com/?p=164#comment-624 [...] Barrel Strength | On the Viral Eruption of “New Reform” [...] [...] Barrel Strength | On the Viral Eruption of “New Reform” [...]

]]> By: Cool Blue http://www.barrelstrength.com/2008/05/29/on-the-viral-eruption-of-new-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-623 Cool Blue Fri, 30 May 2008 10:17:46 +0000 http://www.barrelstrength.com/?p=164#comment-623 1) and attempt was made to remove Tory at the last convention where he only got 67% approval. The convention was very rigged by Tory and he still only got 67%. For example, over 80 people had their delegate status revoked when they got there. These people were overwhelmingly anti-Tory. If they had been allowed to vote his numbers would have been bellow 60%. 2) many of us believe that Tory won't win in 2011 with or without Reform around, so if it's gonna be a Liberal victory anyway, why not go with Reform? 3) Even if Reform isn't a serious option, it may have the effect of scaring the crap out of the PCs and causing them to take a hard look at their party 1) and attempt was made to remove Tory at the last convention where he only got 67% approval. The convention was very rigged by Tory and he still only got 67%. For example, over 80 people had their delegate status revoked when they got there. These people were overwhelmingly anti-Tory. If they had been allowed to vote his numbers would have been bellow 60%.

2) many of us believe that Tory won’t win in 2011 with or without Reform around, so if it’s gonna be a Liberal victory anyway, why not go with Reform?

3) Even if Reform isn’t a serious option, it may have the effect of scaring the crap out of the PCs and causing them to take a hard look at their party

]]> By: Lori http://www.barrelstrength.com/2008/05/29/on-the-viral-eruption-of-new-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-622 Lori Fri, 30 May 2008 10:12:35 +0000 http://www.barrelstrength.com/?p=164#comment-622 Well, the Ontario Conservative movement is lost anyway. If libs win an election, we have the libs setting policy. If the conservatives win an election.... we have libs setting policy just the same. Either way libs romp unopposed. At least if the opposition is Reform, there will be a voice for conservatism. So what's to lose by backing Ontario Reform? A proud name, a proud tradition, and frankly I would seriously think of supporting the party. I'm a member of the CPC, but I see nothing in the current Ontario PC party that I like. Seriously, what's to lose? Well, the Ontario Conservative movement is lost anyway.

If libs win an election, we have the libs setting policy.

If the conservatives win an election…. we have libs setting policy just the same.

Either way libs romp unopposed.

At least if the opposition is Reform, there will be a voice for conservatism.

So what’s to lose by backing Ontario Reform? A proud name, a proud tradition, and frankly I would seriously think of supporting the party. I’m a member of the CPC, but I see nothing in the current Ontario PC party that I like.

Seriously, what’s to lose?

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